john: you look forward to going to school? >> yes. twenty-seven regular government schools get results because they are a government monopoly of almost always do a lousy job. up against the education blob that his job of the hunt teachers' union comment janitor union, bureaucrats they're resist change that is why -- while i was excited charters schools. schools could experiment the parents would see how much better it could be and kids would benefit from the innovation. it is not happening. sometimes. but the center for education reform says the charter movement has gone wrong.

what happened is an example. >> my group have put together an application to start a charter school and we have been repeatedly stonewalled 57 because of your own daughter's experience you've got together with people and said we will start a charter. >> the first application was 100 pages could. denied. >> they said there was not a need we had typographical errors in the application. john: wouldn't mcdonald's like to say that to burger king? >> yes. john: you try again. >> we fixed them and we got more people involved and we needed to show more apparent support.

the first application had 70 letters the second was 125 letters. still denied. john: six times. this is typical. >> it is more and more typical. all-purpose of the charter school movement was to create new public schools, held accountable but free from most rules and regulation. but government encroaches everyday on people who want to start schools. john: the blob in charge they don't that competition state education department even the best states we have an of the highest performing traders goals and arizona the director spends 30% of the time filling out paperwork they tried to squeeze her school into a

box. she has to report on the improvement plan. for what? john: i tried to make sure the kids are protected. >> but did her case are all kids reading at grade level? in no. math? no. qualified founders who have recognized something they want to do and we say don't come and? it is a movement people tried to get away from. >> i have resisted undid the union's teachers showed up shame on you. then they demanded i try teaching. >> you can teach for one week.

john: the crowd like to the idea. so why surprise them to say sure. i was ready. but the blob did its thing and would not let that have been after endless meetings they decided i should not teach for one week like they embraced the soviet bureaucracy they don't care about the kids? >> i cannot imagine why they stopped a school like hers and why existing charter schools zero or washington dc. >> speculate. >> they are so afraid to make any mistakes and fears a brisk if they are not the very best they will the longer be in business risk

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if we do not act the bad situation will become worse. john: they got it through 848 pages. i have not read it but a lawyer who has specializes in garbage like this. >> the problem is the myth surrounding this that the biggest that is it deregulation. john: 11 george bush? >> even earlier. ronald reagan and throughout the clinton era. john: george w. bush hired 86,000 more regulators. >> banking is one of the most regulated industries if not the most. the problem was not deregulation but we had a crisis caused by a massive

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have labeled them systemic. it shows what happens and white increases the risk. the big banks can borrow money more cheaply because they think the government will bail them out. >> creditors know they will not be bailed out if they fail so they give them money at it cheaper rate. >> jpmorgan chase pays $4 interest but the small bank pays $70 $0.50. they stay small the big banks get bigger. >> the more likely you are to be bailed out. john: i do make more money. it does other terrible things? >> something people need to realize is dodd/frank and

900 pages but it is just a mandate that says you have to make rules on a variety of topics. >> it says go right to new 400 new rules there is 400 it requirements of those 1/3 have been finalized. many year not enforced. 1/3 have been proposed and one-third are yet to to be proposed. we have only seen a small segment of rule-making. >> liv but just to keep up with these nobody could do it and it requires huge

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>> show title tonight, good intentions gone wrong describes what government does. we have problems. politicians claim they have a fix. they add laws, add to the growing pile of laws, 170,000

pages already. they propose a thousand new ones every week. at the bill signing, everyone feels good, and the public seems to buy it. they think a problem is solved. after all, no kids in washington ask the congressmen what laws did you repeal? it's congressman, what laws have you passed? so they pass and pass and laws pile up. for every one of these, there's an unintended consequence or several. the track record is clear. central planners failed in the soviet uni,, cuba, in america's public school systems, at the post office. central planning stops innovation, distorts the economy; yet, for all of that failure whenever another crisis hits, natural instinct is to say government has to do something. why don't we learn? because there are awless problems that must be solved. there are always politicians who

claim to be problem solvers. they are so interested in our welfare. that's all they talk aboutment some went to harvard, so they must be so smart. we believe them, then, when they say, yes, we can. >> yes, we can. >> yes, we can. >> yes, we can. [cheers and applause] >> real life says they can't do things including free people. no, they can't. yes, they can pass a law, but the law does not solve the problem, but creates new ones. in my city last week, there were protests in front of mcdonalds. unions want fast workers paid more. the new "new york times" put thn the front page saying mcdonalds pays her $8, but she deserves $15 #. civil ights groups, union demands a higher living wage,

and they may get it. [chanting] >> the big bad union like the big bad wolf like the government use force. if they want a $15 minimum, that's what employers must pay. that sounds good to people. everyone will get a raise. the problem comes from what is not seen. i can interview the guy who got a raise. i can't interview the guy who didn't open a mcdonalds because work rules were too onerous or those never offered a job because high union paid skills protected him out of a job. we don't know who those people are. they are the unscene victims of the government's protections. it's frustrating to explain the unseen. sometimes i fear no one understands so it's a relief to meet